In this conversation, Walter Naegle reflects on the personal cost of Bayard Rustin’s 1953 arrest, describing how homophobia within and outside the movement sidelined the architect of nonviolence and left his career “stymied.” Naegle also speaks to the emotional power of witnessing Rustin’s legacy restored through the Presidential Medal of Freedom and posthumous pardon, emphasizing Rustin’s enduring dignity, resilience, and unwavering commitment to justice even when his own movement failed him.